金錢具有實實在在的價值，因此很多有關情感的東西和它搭上了關系。
Money often functions as the "currency of caring."
金錢往往起著“愛心貨幣”的作用。
More and more professionals_psychotherapists,counselors,social workers and others_have begun to address in their work the hidden ways that money works for,and against,many people.
越來越多的專家(包括精神治療醫師、心理顧問、社會工作者等等)。已開始在其著作中論述金錢以其急秘的方式對很多人所起的作用—好的作用和壞的作用。
In the forefront of this movement is Dr.Krueger.
大衛醫生是這一運動的先驅。
The author of "Emotional Business"and "Success and Fear of Success in Women,"
作為《情感交易》和《婦女對成功的認識》的作者，
Dr.Krueger has a keen and heartfelt understanding of the symbolic value of money,
他對金錢的象征性價值，有著敏感的，衷心的理解力。
the money patterns and symptoms that can arise from our early roots,
對處理錢財的方式和我們根深蒂固的毛病，
and how we can take steps to change our"story"so that we may find our authentic selves.
對我們該如何采取措施改變生活方式以找到真實的自我，都有著深刻的理解。
Here is what he had to say in a recent talk with Institute Founder and Executive Director Karen McCall.
以下是最近他和協會創建者及執行董事Karen McCall的一次談話。
Karen McCall:In your book"Emotional Business,"you talk about money in terms of what it represents for many people.
在您的《情感交易》一書中，您談到貨幣對于大多數人而言代表什么。
Let’s talk about the symbolic value of money_about what money does and doesn’t buy.
現在我們就來談談貨幣象征意義上的價值錢買得到什么，買不到什么。
David Krueger:Well,first of all you have to understand that money is a tremendous force,
好的，首先你得明白，錢的力量是巨大的，
one that in terms of its tangible value determines where we live ,
就其實實在在的價值而言，它可以決定我們住在哪兒，
how we live,whether we can put food on the table,and so on.
我們如何生活，我們的餐桌上是否有東西可吃，諸如此類。
But when you look closely,you see that there are all kinds of emotional things that hitchhike on it as well.
不過如果你仔細探究，你會發現還有種種情感方面的問題也與之相關。
KM:Say a little more about that.
您能就這個問題詳細談談嗎?
DK:Money,for many people,is treated unconsciously as a "currency of caring."
很多人把錢當作一種“有愛心的貨幣”而自己渾然不覺。
So a lot of things are attributed to money-love,power,fame.
很多東西，比如愛情、權利、聲名、都被認為源于金錢。
This is confusing what money is with what it can do.
就其本身的作用而言，金錢到底是什么?這個令人困惑的問題。
And when our conscious intentions are at odds with our unconscious motivations,we’ll never feel quite"right"inside.
當我們有意識的目的和我們無意識的動機不一致時，我們的內心就會覺得不對勁。
The more money symbolizes our unfulfilled needs and desires,the less it satisfies us.
越是用金錢來標志我們未被滿足的需要與欲望，金錢就越不能滿足我們。
KM:That raises an interesting idea,because what you’ve just described is often a foundation for addictions of various kinds.
你剛才所說的通常是對很多東西上癮的基礎，這讓我想到了一個有趣的問題，
Can one become addicted to money?
就是人們會對金錢上癮嗎?
DK:Absolutely.When money serves as a proxy,when it serves as a symbol for what one really wants,there will never be enough.
絕對可能。當金錢成為一種替代品，成為一個人真正所需的一種象征，那就再多也不夠了。
An addiction is a promise that’s never kept_hope given life by proxy.
任何一種上癮都是一個永遠不會遵守的諾言。生活的希望就在于那個替代品。
It’s very common for someone to say"I won’t have any problems if I can just make a million dollars,
常常有人說，“只要我能賺一百萬，我的生活就不會有任何問題了，
or five million dollars,and have a house in a great neighborhood.
或者是五百萬，并在富人區有棟房子。
But it’s never enough;you can lose enough,you can’t make enough.
其實那是遠遠不夠的，你會失去很多，而你掙錢卻是永不嫌多的。
When you make money the proxy of what you need,you will never be satisfied.
如果你把金錢當作你所需的一切的替代品，你就永不會滿足。
KM:What are the components of an addiction?
要具備哪些必要條件才會上癮呢?
DK:Anything that you can be addicted to has three components.
你對能上癮的任何東西都包含三個主要因素。
One is the historical component that often arises out of our family of origin and our earliest experiences of being,or not being,cared for.
首要的是歷史因素，它可能源于我們出生的家庭，源于我們早年被關心(或者不被關心)的經歷。
Out of their histories,people come to create their own personal stories,with specific meanings assigned to the object of their addiction.
在自身歷史外，人們往往以自己的經歷來書寫個人的故事，其特定的意義被轉化到他們上癮的對象上。
The second component is the symbolic equation that we assign to the money or alcohol or other"drug."
其二是我們將金錢，酒精或其它毒品在象征意義上視為等同。
For example,we might equate money with being loved,or with being either powerful or impotent.
例如，我們會把金錢與被愛，與強大或是無能聯系在一起。
And the third component is that whatever the object of addiction is_whether it’s money,food,drugs,sex or whatever,
其三，不管上癮的對象是什么，不論是金錢，食物，毒品，性還是別的什么，
the object has an immediate capacity to regulate both physiological and psychological experiences,both tension states and feelings.
它都能立刻對你的生理和心理體驗，對你的緊張狀態和感覺起著調節作用。
And anything that is used addictively comes to further enhance the symbolism of the proxy,
所有的上癮都強化替代物的象征作用，
crowding out one’s personal story and taking on a life of its own.
而對個人經歷和對自己承擔的生活責任漠不關心。
KM:You’ve said that when it comes to addictions,you like to distinguish between"pattern"and"symptom".
您說在講到上癮的時候，行為方式和癥狀是有所不同的，
Let’s talk more about that.
我們談談這個好嗎?
DK:A symptom is a particular kind of behavior or enactment_compulsive gambling,compulsive shopping,those kinds of things.
癥狀是一種特定的行為方式或規定，象強迫性的賭博和購物等類似的事情。
Patterns have a broader configuration.
行為方式的范圍要廣得多。
A pattern is not a single,symptomatic act,but a broader set of behaviors,like having someone rescue you from a financial disaster.
它不是一種獨立的，表現癥狀的行為，而是一系列范圍更廣泛的行為，比如在經濟狀況不妙時讓人救助。
It’s using money or the means for obtaining money as a kind of engagement as a way of connecting with people.
它是以花錢的方式或是賺錢的方式作為一種承諾或保證，一種與別人聯系的方式。
For example,parents or a loved one or spouse would rescue from financial difficulties at the very time when you feel estranged or disconnected emotionally.
例如，在你孤立無助的時候，你的父母、愛人或配偶會幫你從經濟因境中解脫出來。
KM:How difficult is it to change these patterns?
要改變行為方式有多難呢?
DK:Patterns can have a beginning,middle and end within a matter of minutes or hours,such as compulsive shopping or spending.
有些行為方式可以在幾分鐘或者幾個小時內經歷從開始到結束的全過程，比如強迫性購物或消費。
But there are also patterns,such as certain difficulties in intimacy in a relationship,that may take 10 or 20 years to unfold,
而有些行為方式，比如與人建立一種親密的關系，卻要經過一二十年才能表現出來。
and recovery from these patterns can be tougher than to look at the rapidly recurring patterns,
要擺脫這樣的行為方式，就比擺脫那些快速循環的行為方式困難多了，
because by the time one has gone through it once or twice,they’re well beyond middle age.
因為當一個人經歷這種行為一兩次之后，往往都到中年了。
But the greater the understanding of the motivations that go into it,
一個人越是理解了這其中的動機，
the greater possibility one has to really recognize that they themselves are creating the patterns as part of their stories,
就越能真正認識到，他們已經形成了這樣的行為方式并將其當作他們生活的一部分，
and that with understanding,one may be able to create a very different story.
而一旦理解了這些，就可以重新開始一種截然不同的生活體驗。
KM:You’ve said that the more the story of the symbol_in this case,money_comes to have a central position in one’s life,
你說標志物(這里指金錢)的地位越是重要，
the more it has the potential to crowd out other very real and necessary things.
這一標志物就越會將其他真實而重要的東西從生活中擠出去。
For some people this takes the form of underearning.
對有些人來說，這表現為收入低下。
How would you define under-earning?
你如何定義收入低下呢?
DK:I see under_earning not simply as the inability to acquire money or to work to one’s full potential,
我認為收入低下不是簡單的無力獲取金錢，或無法發揮個人潛能賺錢，
or,in the case of various kinds of independent professionals,the inability to set or collect fees.
或是對于那些自由職業者而言收不到帳，
It is those things,but it is also an internal issue.
它表現為這些現象，但它同時也是一個人內在的問題。
In one’s own sense of self,ambition is one pole and ideal is another.
在一個人的自我意識中，抱負是一回事，理想是另一回事。
If..if we have formed an internal ideal that is attainable,
如果我們心中有了一個可以達到的理想，
we will most likely be fairly successful at working and earning at an appropriate level.
我們的工作就會相當成功，收入也能達到相應的水平。
KM:What you’re really talking about is self_esteem,isn’t it?
你所說的其實是自尊，對嗎?
DK:Yes,and the only place that I know of that self_esteem comes from is from having an ideal that’s attainable,
對。我認為自尊只能源于擁有一個可以達到的理想，
and achieving that ideal or those goals.
并努力去實現它的過程。
Now,what happens when the ideal is coupled with what someone else wants,or with an external goal?
當你的理想和別人的一樣時，或者與一個外在的目標一致時，又會如何呢?
External affirmation makes one very vulnerable to things that would be one very vulnerable to things that would be emblems of worth_money,possessions,and other socially acceptable stand_ins for self-worth.
外界的認可使一個人在金錢，財富和其他能被社會認可的自我價值面前變得容易受到傷害。
But nothing is ever going to be enough.
不過沒有什么東西會有個夠的。
Nothing is going to be good enough unless you have a sense of "good enough"inside,
沒有什么東西會足夠好，除非你的內心有一種“足夠好”的感覺，
which in turn means feeling a kind of affirmation of one’s own worth internally.
這樣反過來你會從心底里感受到對自我價值的肯定。
